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Problems
with Radiometric and Genetic Dating Methods: Assumption,
Preconception, Collusion, and Circular Logic David Stewart, Jr. Assumptions of Radiometric Dating Radiometric and genetic dating methods are often claimed
to be accurate, unbiased, and rigorously scientific tools for determining the
age of fossils, rocks, and human remains.
However, like all methodological tools, results of such dating methods
are valid only when their assumptions are met. In “Radiocarbon Dating: Tool or Magic Wand,
Robert F. Helfinstine describes the assumptions of radiocarbon dating:[1] The assumptions in which the [radiocarbon] dating
is made are: 1. It is independent of time for 70,000 years. 2. The value is independent of the geologic
location. 3. The percentage of 14C is not species dependent. 4.
The generation activity of 14C is a known constant. 5. There is no
14C contamination with modern 14C. 6. There is no loss of 14C
except by radioactive decay. Radiocarbon is generated in the upper atmosphere
primarily by cosmic ray bombardment of nitrogen (14N), converting
it to 14C. The McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Science and
Technology states that the concentration of 14C in the earth’s
atmosphere, hydrosphere, and biosphere is “relatively” uniform. It then goes on to explain how the
relatively uniform condition is really a variable. A key factor in the 14C
generation rate is the strength of the earth’s magnetic field. According to the technical monograph, Origin and Destiny of the Earth’s Magnetic
Field, the magnetic field is decaying as a first order exponential with a
half life of 1,400 years, a number much less than the 5,700 year half life of
14C. The consequence of this decay is that there is a
corresponding exponential increase of the generation rate of 14C. Using present conditions as a reference
will result in an increase in the apparent age of older samples. The cosmetic ray flux is an unknown for
past ages. The eleven-year sun-spot
cycle also has a cyclic effect on the generation rate. Dilution of 14C in the
atmosphere is caused by burning of hydrocarbon fuel or by release of 14C
from CO2 sinks as the result of atmosphere and hydrosphere
warming. Geographic location is
probably one of the biggest variables in 14C formation, yet it
seems to be systematically ignored. Other types of radiometric
dating (potassium argon, uranium, etc.) are based on similar assumptions of a
known amount of element and isotope at the time of origin of the material
being studied, a constant rate of decay throughout time, and the absence of
any change in isotope abundance in the atmosphere or biosphere, and
geographic independence. These
assumptions are dubious, unprovable, and in many cases refuted by existing
evidence. There is no way to prove
the assumption of radiometric dating methods that background radiation has
remained content for thousands, even millions of years. Geological evidence refutes this
assumption. The site Problems
with Radiometric and Carbon 14 Dating notes: “It
appears that cosmic ray penetration into our atmosphere depends upon the
strength of the earth's magnetic field. The rock record indicates that the
magnetic field has varied in both strength and direction over time. This has
serious implications on C14-C12 chemistry in the upper atmosphere.” And, for that matter, of all other
radiometric dating methods. Another
site, “The Problem
with Carbon 14 and other dating methods” observes: Carbon dating is based on the assumption that the amount of 14C
in the atmosphere has always been the same. But there is more carbon in the
atmosphere now than there was four thousand years ago. Since carbon dating
measures the amount of carbon still in a fossil, then the date given is not
accurate. Carbon dating makes an animal living four thousand years ago (when
there was less atmospheric carbon) appear to have lived thousands of years
before it actually did. Actual data further
support the conclusion that 14C and other radiometric dating techniques have erroneously
dated many specimens far before their time. Radiometric
Dating Inconsistencies Engineer Robert F. Helfinstine documents the
problematic dates generated by radiometric dating:[2] A few examples include a living tree growing next
to an airport dated as being 10,000 years old, and living aquatic plants from
Montezuma Well in The site “Carbon Dating:
why you can’t trust it” cites numerous examples of demonstrably
nonsensical results of radiometric dating: Living
penguins have been carbon dated and the results said that they had died 8,000
years ago! The shells of living mollusks have been dated using the carbon
14 method, only to find that the method gave it a date as having been dead
for 23,000 years! (Science vol. 141 1963 pg. 634-637) The body of a seal that had been dead for 30 years was carbon
dated, and the results stated that the seal had died 4,600 years ago!
("The Illustrated Origins Answer Book" by Paul Taylor) What about a freshly killed seal? Well, they dated one of those
too, the results stated that the seal had died 1,300 years ago. (Antarctic
Journal vol. 6 Sept-Oct 1971 pg. 211)
Antarctic seawater has a low level of C14. Consequently organisms
living there dated by C14 give ages much older than their true age. A Shells from living snails were dated using the Carbon 14 method.
The results stated that the snails had died 27,000 years ago. (Science vol.
224 1984 pg. 58-61) [Using potassium argon dating] "scientists got dates of 164
million and 3 billion years for two Hawaiian lava flows. But these lava flows
happened only about 200 years ago in 1800 and 1801. ("Dry bones and
other fossils" by Dr. Gary Parker) Lava flows at Mt Helfinstine observed:
“When the material being dated has an unknown past history, how can the
measured date be considered valid?”[3] Preconception,
Collusion, and Circular Logic Richard Milton noted the
circular logic of using one dating technique to determine what dates achieved
by other methods are allowed to be: In an interview about his
penetrating critique, Facts of Life:
Shattering the Myth of Darwinism, the science journalist Richard Milton
describes what made him write the book: “It was the absence of transitional
fossils that first made me question Dates obtained by one
method are often applied to co-located matter. If a technique is used to calculate a very
ancient age estimate for a rock, that date is then applied to local organic
matter, even if tests on the organic matter itself do not support the first
date! The site Problems with Radiometric
Dating and Carbon 14 Measurement observes: “Can we prove that Carbon dates
are accurate? There are usually two ways cited to do this. 1. We can date
things for which historians know ‘the right answer.’ 2. We can date things
that have been dated by some other method.”
Correlating
with known history can take us back, at best, only 4500 years. Beyond that, accepting dates from
radiometric or other equally inferential methods brings up the problem of
collusion and circular logic. How do
we know that the fossil is twenty million years old? Because the rock is twenty million years
old. How do we know that the rock is
twenty million years old? Because the
fossil is twenty million years old.
Or, because the charts say that this kind of fossil is found in strata
that are twenty million years old. How
do we know that a fossil with a radiometrically estimated age of fifty
thousand years is really fifty thousand years old, and has experienced fifty
thousand years in which all six of the carbon radiodating assumptions have
been rigorously observed without any of the discrepancies that we find even
in living creatures today? Because we
are unwilling to allow into our uniformitarian theory any of the
non-uniformitarian possibilities that we see all around us in the world
today, and because it makes us feel better to claim that we know something
rather than more honestly acknowledging our ignorance. At no point does the process escape the
problems of preconception and circular logic and achieve the level of valid
scientific documentation. Educational materials meant for public consumption
claim that dating methodologies consistently converge on the predicted
results. Yet scientists know that this
is far from the truth. Helfinstine
observes:[5] There are also assumptions of ages of certain rock
formations. Yet, radiocarbon dating
old wood samples extracted from the rock show dates radically different from
the assumed age. Wood found around the
carcass of a baby mammoth, Dima,
was dated between 9,000 and 10,000 years B.P.
Samples of the carcass tissue were dated at 26,000 and 40,000 years
B.P. Fat and blood samples from the
Berezovka mammoth were dated at 39,000 years B.P., but the plant and pollen
remains found in its stomach were dated between 6,000 and 7,000 years
B.P. These examples tend to indicate
that older samples can give a variety of dates, many of which may have little
direct correlation to dates obtained by other methods. This brings to question the validity of
many 14C dates found in the literature. If dating methods were reliable, why is
corroboration from other sources needed?
Without specific corroborating historical evidence, which of the
discrepant dates is should be accepted as accurate, if indeed any of them are
correct at all? To minimize the public embarrassment of such
discrepancies, scholars have engaged in a process of correlation that from a
legal perspective would be better termed collusion or conspiracy. The results of one dating method are used
to determine what the allowed dates from another method may be. Scientists, of course, are not blinded as
to the presumed origin of the materials they are testing. Thus, they know what scientific consensus
dictates the dates “should” be before the tests are even run. Nor are they unaware of the dire
professional consequences, should they challenge consensus dating with
“unfiltered” results. At best, only
minor challenges to existing chronologies can be tolerated: there is
certainly no room for results that demonstrate more than slight discrepancies
from the party line. Thus a process of
preconception, collusion, and circular logic is used to ensure that
fundamental dogmas held with religious fervor by professionals remain
unchallenged. These colluded dates are in turn packaged to
provide additional evidence against Biblicists. Evolutionists claim that converging dates
from multiple “independent” radiometric dating methods provide concrete proof
that the dating is solid, and that Biblicists are delusionary ignoramuses. Yet they ignore the fact that the results
arrived at by different dating methods are not independent. All radiometric dating methods depend on a
shared set of assumptions, and a change in atmospheric radiation, solar
activity, or the magnetic field of the earth – such as we know occurred with
the polar shift at
the time of the global flood – would result in radiometric dates of rocks and
fossils from before that time producing dates significantly older than they
actually are. Such claims of converging
evidence also ignore the fact that data filtration and collusion have
frequently occurred, with the results from one dating method (or from
geologic charts) being used to determine what results can be allowed from
other dating methods. One set of dates
is consulted in determining the other, and then they are presented to the
public as independent documentation converging on the same point! Without blinded study, there can be no
honest claims of independent convergence. When laboratories are blinded so that they do not
know the presumed origin of the material being tested, the radiometric dates
produced are quite amusing and discrediting.
For instance, the site “The Problem
with Carbon 14 and other dating methods” notes: Many
people are under the false impression that carbon dating proves that
dinosaurs and other extinct animals lived millions of years ago. What many do
not realize is that carbon dating is not used to date dinosaurs. The reason?
Carbon dating is only accurate back a few thousand years. So if scientists
believe that a creature lived millions of years ago, then they would need to
date it another way. But there is the problem. They assume dinosaurs lived
millions of years ago (instead of thousands of years ago like the bible
says). They ignore evidence that does not fit their preconceived notion. What
would happen if a dinosaur bone were carbon dated? - At Oak Ridge National
Laboratory, Scientists dated dinosaur bones using the Carbon dating method.
The age they came back with was only a few thousand years old. This
date did not fit the preconceived notion that dinosaurs lived millions of
years ago. So what did they do? They threw the results out. And kept their
theory that dinosaurs lived "millions of years ago" instead. This
is common practice. They then use potassium argon, or other methods, and date
the fossils again. They do this many times, using a different dating method
each time. The results can be as much as 150 million years different from
each other! - how’s that for an "exact" science? They then pick the
date they like best, based upon their preconceived notion of how old their
theory says the fossil should be (based upon the Geologic column). The above author cites an
Allosaurus bone sent to the Alleged radiometric dates
do not pass the rudimentary scientific test of randomized double-blinded
study. Carbon dating of ancient human
and dinosaur bones show similar time frames with considerable overlap. This produces problems for evolutionists,
and so carbon-14 dates of dinosaurs are ignored all together in favor of
potassium argon or other dating methods that allegedly allow a longer
timeframe. Of course, potassium argon
and uranium dating methods are subject to the same troubled and unproven
assumptions as 14C dating, with these concerns being heightened
further by the lack of any known historical dates to serve as a control. There is no way to prove that any fossil or
rock is even one million years old.
Evolutionists who beat Biblical literalists over the head with claims
of the profoundly “scientific” and definitively nature of radiometric dating
conveniently change their tune when carbon dating shows that dinosaurs lived
far more recently than their theories can tolerate. Thus preconception is pawned off on the
masses as unassailable fact. Data Tampering and Knowledge
Filtration In Forbidden Archaeology, Cremo and Thompson document the dishonest
stratigraphic reclassification of bones and artifacts according to
preconceived notions, resulting in knowledge filtration:[6] We
can hardly be certain that there is not another Piltdown-like forgery in one
of the world’s greatest museums, just waiting to be uncovered. The impact of Piltdown remains, therefore,
damaging. There is, however, another
more insidious and pervasive kind of cheating – the route editing and
reclassifying of data according to rigid theoretical preconceptions. Vayson
de Pradenne, of the Ecole d’Anthropologie in Paris, wrote in his book Fraudes
Archeologiques (1925): “one often finds men of science possessed by a
pre-conceived idea who, without committing real frauds, do not hesitate to
give observed facts a twist in the direction which agrees with their
theories. A man may examine, for
example, that the law of progress in pre-historic industries must show itself
everywhere and always in the smallest details. Seeing the simultaneous presence in a
deposit of carefully finished artifacts and others of a coarser type, he
decides that there must be two levels: the lower one yielding the coarser
specimens. He will class his finds
according to their type, not according to the stratum in which he found
them. If at the base he finds a finely
worked implement he will declare there has been accidental penetration and
that the specimen must be re-integrated with the site of its origin by
placing it with the items from the higher levels. He will end with real trickery in the
stratigraphic presentation of his specimens; trickery in aid of a
pre-conceived idea, but more or less unconsciously done by a man of good
faith whom no one would call fraudulent.
The case is often seen, and if I mention no names it is not because I
do not know any (Vere 1959, pp. 1-2). This
sort of thing goes on not just in the Ignoring
Inconvenient Dates Establishment scholars,
who are happy to use estimated radiometric dates to bludgeon Bible believers
with claims of ignorantly harboring beliefs “disproved” by scientific data,
ironically have no qualms about dismissing inconvenient radiometric dates
when they fail to jive with consensus theory.
The process of collusion described above is in fact mandatory for
anyone to be successful in archaeology and related fields. Those who are not willing to tweak their
calculated dates to the “allowable” range are drummed out of the scientific
community. For instance,
archaeologist Dr. Victoria Steen-McIntire studied ancient human remains in Nevertheless,
the massive reexamination of orthodox theory and the wholesale rewriting of
textbooks that one might logically have expected did not ensue. What did follow was public ridicule of
Steen-McIntyre’s work and the vilification of her character. She has not been able to find work in her
field since.[7]
Dr. Steen-McIntyre failed
to “play the game” of collusion in arriving at a predetermined result, and
thus was expelled from the club. There are numerous other
examples where establishment scholars have disregarded dates when they clash
with their theories. For instance, the
Kensington Runestone has been demonstrated by geologic techniques to be very
old, yet conventionalist scholars still claim it as a modern hoax. The lack of acceptance relates not to any
lack of antiquity of the stone, but rather to the dogmatic but unsupported
preconception that Viking explorers could not have journeyed so far inland. Scholars do not arrive at dates because of compelling evidence from
nuclear dating. Charles Ginenthal
stated, “radiocarbon dating is not employed to test theories, but to support
them…radiocarbon always gives a scattered set of dates. The theorists then pick the ones that they
believe to be to be correct.”[8] Nuclear dating is a tool used to bolster or
affirm preconceived beliefs, but is quietly ignored when results contradict
theory. Age of
the Earth, Age of Man Douglas Kenyon observed: The theoretical
four-billion-year age of the planet was determined not by scientific or geologic evidence, according to the science
writer Richard Milton...but by estimating how long it should have taken for accidental life to have occurred, given the
extreme improbability of life
having occurred at all through random, material causes.[9] Yet carbon 14 data
suggests that the earth may be far younger
in fact suggests that the earth may be far younger. “The Problem
with Carbon 14 and other dating methods” observes: Because of the earth’s declining magnetic field, more radiation
(which forms 14C) is allowed into the earth’s atmosphere. The man who invented carbon dating knew
that atmospheric carbon would reach equilibrium in 30,000 years. He assumed
that the earth was millions of years old, and that it was already at
equilibrium. However each time they test it, they find more 14C in
the atmosphere, and have realized that we are only 1/3 the way to equilibrium. What does this mean? It means that based on
14C formation, the earth has to be less than 1/3 of 30,000 years
old. This would make the earth less than 10,000 years old! Similarly, Wendell Stewart
reported that when he asked the great anthropologist Louis Leakey where the
hundred million year figure for the presence of humans on earth came from, he
notes that Leakey acknowledged that this was merely an “educated guess.” There is no data that would support such
dates as amounting to anything more than speculation. Yet these data points
are widely presented to the public as fact. Anti-Biblical
Darwinist Agenda Establishment scholars
have been careful to craft theoretical time frames extending back hundreds of
millions, even billions of years, so that when errors have been brought to
light and individuals have begun to question the assumptions of theory, dates
can be contracted substantially, yet still without allowing a shred of
credibility to biblical literalists.
Thus, even when massive errors are discovered prompting drastic
contractions of dating -- such as from 58 million years to 2 million years
for the Antarctic ice
cap with the discovery of an ancient forest near the South Pole, a
contraction of more than 96% -- evolutionists are quick to point out that
even the revised dates are far earlier than that of a traditional Biblical
time frame. Even these contracted dates are highly problematic from a
scientific standpoint – indeed, the carbon deficiency of Antarctic flora and
fauna leading to vastly exaggerated ages is well-documented (remember the
“eight thousand year old” living penguins?).
Yet the dates are not allowed to be shortened into a range that would
allow Biblical dates to be taken seriously!
This is, at least, when such discrepancies are acknowledged at all:
numerous theories, such as the “ice age” and its alleged chronology, have
continued to be promulgated almost without change in the face of abundant
incompatible evidence. Evolutionists
even have invented terms such as “erratics” to excuse themselves from the
need to explain vast inconsistencies that their theory is incapable of
explaining. Genetic
Dating I dealt only briefly with
genetic dating issues in my 2006 article, DNA
and the Book of Mormon. A more
complete discussion of the problems and limitations of genetic dating issues
can be found in my debate with a Ph.D. cancer researcher and ex-Mormon
critic, on the FAIR boards here.
The site requires free registration to view the discussion. An archived
version of the discussion (no registration required) can be found here: page 1, page 2. In this
discussion, I demonstrate that existing genetic data is fully consistent with
the entry of modern “Native American” populations into the Updated scientific
references cited in my subsequent DNA
Rebuttal to Signature Book provide evidence that actual Y-chromosome
mutation rates in these populations are much higher than researchers have
modeled into their calculations, leading to estimated genetic dates that are
erroneously far too old. Word
Games with Nomenclature Modern scientific dating
literature has attempted to circumvent the traditional B.C. (Before Christ)
and A.D. (Anno Domino) dating designations by the introduction of the
designations “B.C.E.” (“Before Common Era”) and “B.P.” (“Before
Present”). These nonsensical
designations demonstrate how the scientific establishment has made the dating
system less scientific by going out
of their way to ignore dates based on the birth of Christ – a documented
historical event attested to in both secular and religious sources – and has
replaced it with a completely unscientific and arbitrary designation of the
“Common Era” which is not based on any documented historical event or achievement. If the “Common Era” is not based on Christ,
then what, pray tell, is it based on? “Before Present” is
equally troubled. The fact that the
“present” when the dates are measured is itself relative introduces the need
for correction between the current “present” and the “present” of the time of
measurement, which by the time it is reported is no longer present, but
past. A date recorded as A.D. or B.C.
specifically identifies the year or range of years in question, while a date
recorded as “Before Present” must first be brought up to the real present (as time has an
inconvenient habit of passing!) before it can be identified with a specific
year. For instance, a relic designated
as having originated “600 years before present” in 1950 A.D. would actually
be “657 years before present” in 2007 A.D. Such are the gymnastics of
contradictory nomenclature and illogic employed by establishment scholars,
all to avoid any acknowledgment of Christ. One solution would be for
evolutionists to introduce objective dates based on known historical
facts. For instance, they “know” that
the earth is 4.5 billion years old.
They know this because their theory is more important than the data
itself. The year that this was
determined would be 4,500,000,000; the next year would be 4,500,000,001, and
so forth. Even with new scientific
discovery, there would never be any need to revise the dates. This is because the age of the earth is
axiomatic fact, and is not subject to question or challenge. As this number
was accepted without any basis in scientific observation, it is equally
obvious that that no real-world data can possibly disprove it. Faulty Assumptions, Erroneous
Conclusions Robert F. Helfinstine observed:[10] The assumptions on which the [14C
dating] process was originally established need to be reconsidered. It is not independent of time; it is
dependent on geographical location; it is species dependent; the generation
activity is changing, and it is subject to contamination. There have been a number of “correction
factors” proposed in attempts to normalize 14C dating. Tree ring
dating has been used, but that process has its own limitations. The influence of the Earth’s magnetic field
can be compensated to some extent, but the large differences due to geographical
location can only be guessed at.
Carbon 14 is not the useful tool it was thought to be, but it is often
used as a kind of magic wand in attempts to provide validation for
establishing dates of ancient fossils.
And because of the general commitment to using 14C dates,
Charles Ginenthal commented, “I believe that because radiocarbon dating is
the one great backbone and support of the superstructure of the
uniformitarian history of the past…all of this evidence for a distorted
ration of 14C/12C will be denied.” Similar problems have been
noted with other radiometric and genetic dating methods. Various dating methods can provide useful
tools. However, a failure to recognize
these limitations, the unproven belief that problematic assumptions
underpinning these methods have remained at predicted levels for millions of
years, the lack of blinding of laboratories and investigators in dating
samples, data filtration, preconception, collusion, and circular reasoning
all undermine the integrity of the dates calculated by such methods. Very ancient radiometric dates demonstrate
the greatest margin for error.
Radiometric and genetic dates which cannot be correlated with known
historical finds should be viewed skeptically. For foundational evolutionist
theories that were contrived in the face of contrary evidence and then
declared as “fact,” there is not, nor can be, any evidence of “proof”
sufficient to overturn them. New
evidence can only prompt revision of theories that are actually based on
evidence. But when theory is used to
filter data, to preconceive results, and to determine what evidence can or
cannot be accepted, science is turned on its head. This is the case with
radiometric dating methods. Scholars are still very
much in denial about the problems of dating methods. They continue the unqualified promulgation
of tenuous calculations based on unsupportable assumptions as definitive fact
and fail to divulge the problems and contradictions of their methodology to a
trusting public. Many proponents
either poorly understand the limitations of dating methods, or are not
honest. Neither the professionals, nor the public that accepts their
pronouncements as fact, have come to grips with the uncertainty about dating
methods. Nor can they, as honest
disclosure would lead to a collapse of the whole range of archaeological and
geological dates that “experts” have fashioned out of whole cloth. |
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[2] Robert F. Helfinstine,
“Radiocarbon Dating: Tool or Magic Wand?” Ancient
American 23:8-9. |
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[3] Robert F. Helfinstine,
“Radiocarbon Dating: Tool or Magic Wand?” Ancient
American 23:9. |
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[4] Kenyon, J. Douglas ed. Forbidden
History. |
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[5] Robert F. Helfinstine,
“Radiocarbon Dating: Tool or Magic Wand?” Ancient
American 23:8-9. |
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[6] Cremo and Thompson, Forbidden
Archaeology, p. 524. |
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[7] Kenyon, J. Douglas ed. Forbidden
History. |
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[8] As cited in Robert F. Helfinstine, “Radiocarbon Dating:
Tool or Magic Wand?” Ancient American 23:8-9. |
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[9] Kenyon, J. Douglas ed. Forbidden
History. |
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[10] Robert F. Helfinstine,
“Radiocarbon Dating: Tool or Magic Wand?” Ancient
American 23:8-9. |